Mr ALBANESE (Grayndler—Prime Minister) (14:09): [inaudible] be keen to have the opportunity to add to this answer. The fact is that what we have done is produce a defence strategic review aimed at what assets Australia needs to defend ourselves, where they should be placed, and actually delivering it. You can't defend your country with a press release, and what we saw from those opposite is a press release. Indeed, the member himself, who served as the Assistant Minister for Defence under the Leader of the Opposition—the new 'dream team' here, the new 1 and 2 dream team—said: As the assistant defence minister, I saw a lot of waste. And there are always savings to be made. So we're not arguing that there should be no cuts. We just want to make sure that these are done in a considered way if they are done and we also want certainty. … funding AUKUS will require sacrifices … That's what the former assistant minister for defence said, answering his own question—this is questions and answers from the one side today! The SPEAKER: The member for Canning on a point of order? Mr Hastie: It goes to relevance. Bring him back to the question, which is: why is he breaking promises and making it harder for the Australian Defence Force to do its job? The SPEAKER: The Prime Minister has a preamble. I'm listening carefully to make sure he's referring to the estimates and other parts of the question, and I give him the call. Mr ALBANESE: On 31 October 2022 the member said this: 'Yes, we squandered a lot of opportunity through the leadership changes.' He went on to say: 'It created ministerial churn, which led to inertia institutionally, and I think it meant we delayed a lot of those decisions. It's been a criticism, and I think a valid one.' Hear, hear! But of course it was consistent with his leader, because he, the former defence minister, said, on 15 August last year: 'I wish that we could have acquired more capability within defence earlier.' If only he was in a position! If only he was in a position to do something—as the defence minister—to acquire more capability! Fair dinkum. But the Nats haven't missed out, either, Mr Speaker, you'll be pleased to know. The Leader of the National Party said this, on13 March: 'I think Defence has to put their hand up and acknowledge that much of their procurement over many decades, across many different governments, has been ordinary at best'—ordinary at best! You've got to ask the question of why some of these people still have jobs, to be candid; indeed you do. Honourable members interjecting— Mr Conroy interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The Minister for Pacific Island Affairs will cease being disorderly.