Mr PYNE (Sturt—Minister for Defence and Leader of the House) (14:08): I thank the shadow minister for defence for his question. It could be his first question to me as the Minister for Defence. As he would know, I have almost daily conversations with the secretary of Defence and, quite often—not quite daily, but certainly two or three times a week—with the Chief of the Defence Force, and I'm not in the habit of revealing those conversations to the House.