Mr KEENAN (Stirling—Minister for Justice and Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for Counter-Terrorism) (14:38): I thought I dealt with the untruths that have been peddled in this matter last week when I was asked a very similar question by the shadow minister for justice. I am very happy any day of the week to compare our record with the record of the opposition when they were in government. We have invested in an unprecedented way in our law enforcement and security agencies, including $1½ billion for the counterterrorism response alone. As I said last week, when I became minister I inherited the wreckage of what had happened under the Labor Party for six years, not just in the law enforcement relationship but across every national security aspect of the Commonwealth: the lowest defence spending since 1938 and cuts to customs at $¾ billion, which meant that we were not screening cargo when it came over our threshold, which resulted in imports of guns and drugs— Mr Dreyfus interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Isaacs is warned. Mr KEENAN: That is the sort of mess we have been required to clean up since we arrived in office. This is combined with the fact that they completely lost control over our borders, allowing criminal people-smuggling gangs to be in charge of who comes to Australia. The truth is—and they would not know it if it hit them in the face—that we provided unprecedented support for the Australian Federal Police. The SPEAKER: The minister will resume his seat for a second. The member for Hotham has a point of order—and will state the point of order. Ms O'Neil: Mr Speaker, I have not yet heard the minister address the crux of this question— The SPEAKER: The member for Hotham will resume her seat. Ms O'Neil: No, on relevance, Mr Speaker. The SPEAKER: No, I asked the member for Hotham to state the point of order. Ms O'Neil: The point of order is on relevance— The SPEAKER: I am not going to be a broken record. I asked the member for Hotham to— Ms O'Neil: The point of order is on relevance. I would just like the minister to answer the question about the pay and conditions of Australian Federal Police. The SPEAKER: I have asked you to return to your seat. The member for Hotham is warned. Mr Sukkar interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Deakin is warned. Let me make it as clear as I can. Members rising on a point of order need to state the point of order, not to give the House or myself a lecture on what they think of the minister's answer. If they cannot state the point of order they cannot stay in the House. I was lenient in warning the member for Hotham. I had asked her to resume her seat twice. If she thinks that was a bit too tough she might want to consult with the member for Ballarat, who had rather tougher treatment on one occasion. The minister has the call. Mr KEENAN: With all due respect to the shadow minister, she would not have a clue about what is going on with this portfolio—not a clue. We have supported the Australian Federal Police in an unprecedented way. And, as I said, when we arrived in office part of what we had to do was fix up the damage that had been done by the six years of the Labor Party. We will continue to work side by side with our law enforcement community, with our intelligence community, in giving them what they require to deal with the difficult challenges they face. Dr Aly interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Cowan will cease interjecting.