Mr MARLES (Corio) (14:57): My question is to the Minister for Defence Industry. I refer to evidence given by the Minister for Defence in Senate estimates today and ask: given the Minister for Defence was unable to answer this important question, can the minister advise the House on who is actually the senior minister in the Defence portfolio? Or is the information on the website of the Department of Defence correct: that it is still 'to be advised'? The SPEAKER: The member for Corio knows the rules on props. Ms Julie Bishop interjecting— The SPEAKER: The Minister for Foreign Affairs will cease interjecting. Opposition members interjecting— The SPEAKER: The minister will just pause for a second. There are a number of members on my left who are risking not hearing any part of the answer. Ms Swanson: Christopher Pyne, step up! The SPEAKER: The member for Paterson can leave under standing order 94(a). That was completely disorderly. Ms Swanson interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Paterson risks being named if she does not leave straightaway. She will not interject after she has been asked to leave. The member for Paterson then left the chamber.