Mr TURNBULL (Wentworth—Prime Minister) (15:01): I thank the honourable member for his question. One would have hoped that the opposition could do better than this. The reality is, as the honourable member should know,— Mr Brendan O'Connor interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Gorton has already been warned. Mr TURNBULL: that the environment minister's Emissions Reduction Fund is capped—it has a cap. It cannot result in an unlimited amount of fiscal commitment. There is a clear financial commitment to it. Ms O'Neil interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Hotham! Mr TURNBULL: The policy that we have in place is very clearly costed and calibrated— Ms Kate Ellis interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Adelaide. Mr TURNBULL: and it is affecting reductions in emissions now, and at a very low cost. The honourable member does not like— Mr Conroy: Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order on relevance: to be relevant— The SPEAKER: There is no point of order. The member for Charlton will resume his seat. Mr TURNBULL: You cannot take people's remarks about different proposals years ago. The fact is— Opposition members interjecting— Mr TURNBULL: Honourable members can scoff. The fact is that we have a set of very different measures today. The Emissions Reduction Fund is a set of very specific measures which deal with reducing carbon emissions, and they are doing so at a low cost. We are not talking about a theoretical measure— Mr Conroy interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Charlton is warned. Mr TURNBULL: We are talking about a very specific policy that was carefully put together by the Minister for the Environment, that was carefully considered by the government, and it is working. What honourable members hate most is that it is actually working. The honourable members would like to say that the environment minister's policy may work in practice but it fails in theory. The reality is if it works in practice it works. If it cuts emissions it does the job. The objective is not the means; the objective is the goal. And what sticks in their craw—what they cannot bear—is that the Minister for the Environment is reducing emissions at a remarkably low cost— Mr Conroy interjecting— The SPEAKER: I remind the member for Charlton that he has been warned. Mr TURNBULL: That is a great credit to him and a great credit to the government, but it offends the opposition's prejudices. It offends their preconceived notions. It offends their ridiculous ideology about climate change where every measure is turned into an article of principle. It does not matter how you cut emissions as long as they are cut— Ms Rowland interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for Greenway will cease interjecting. Mr TURNBULL: and the Minister for the Environment and this government are cutting emissions. Our goal is reasonable, it is responsible and it is comparable to that of other countries that are similarly situated. Honourable members interjecting— The SPEAKER: Before I call the member for Ryan, members will cease interjecting. I am addressing the House before I call the member for Ryan. The member for Charlton was warned twice. He continued to interject repeatedly through the answer. He will leave under 94(a). The member for Charlton then left the chamber. The SPEAKER: A final warning to those members who have been warned.