Mr PYNE (Sturt—Leader of the House and Minister for Education and Training) (11:21): The procedural motion has been moved. The speaker moving it should be given the call. I also note that you have now given me the call. I move: That the member be no longer heard. I also notice you defied the Speaker. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: The question is that the member no longer be heard. I will disregard that last remark. You should be very careful. Mr Whiteley interjecting— The DEPUTY SPEAKER: I do not need any comments from you either, because you would know that I am in the chair. I have the ruling. I have not moved over for the Speaker, who is now here. The question is that the member no longer be heard. All those of that opinion say aye. Government members: Aye. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: To the contrary no. Opposition members: No. The DEPUTY SPEAKER: I think the ayes have it? The noes have it? Division required? The clerks have indicated correctly that suspension of standing orders cannot be done at this stage, in this way. Therefore, we have got to rule it out of order and return to the business. Mr Albanese: Mr Deputy Speaker, on a point of order. The motion moved by the Manager of Opposition Business seeks to suspend the standing order that is relevant to that ruling. It is perfectly within order for the Manager of Opposition Business to put before the House the motion that he has. What is before the chair is that the Leader of the House has moved that the Manager of Opposition Business be no longer heard. You actually put that to the House and had a vote on it, and I believe we are about to call for a division on that, and that is what should occur before the House right now; otherwise, it is subverting the will of the House. It is perfectly in order at any time for the House to control its own destiny, which is why we have moved, through the Manager of Opposition Business, a suspension of standing orders, including that suspension of standing order 47(c). The DEPUTY SPEAKER: I thank the member for Grayndler, but I think I will stick with the ruling that you cannot suspend standing orders at this time, in the middle of business before the House. So we will return to the business before the chair, which is that the motion be agreed to. Mr Albanese: Mr Deputy Speaker, on a point of order. Perhaps it would be in order in terms of the decorum of the House that the Speaker resume the chair. Mr Pyne: You just want to attack the Speaker. Mr Albanese: No, I don't. I want to assert the primacy of members of this parliament over the conduct of this parliament. That is what I want to assert. It is a very important principle. In practice, the clock is ticking on the 25-minute time limit for the suspension that has been moved by the Manager of Opposition Business, but it is a very important principle that at any time people are allowed to take actions in accordance with the procedures that are allowed for in this House. What would not be appropriate now and in the past would be if a member were interrupted while they were speaking to move a suspension, but it is perfectly in order to interrupt in between speakers to move a suspension, including a suspension of the standing order that provides for the suspensions of standing orders to be ordinarily conducted at a change of business. That is the normal procedure. But given that there is no change of business envisaged before the parliament with the current item that is before the parliament until it concludes at 5 pm is why the opposition have taken this decision. Mr Pyne: Mr Second Deputy Speaker, I think, for the elucidation of the opposition and for the House, the reason why oppositions routinely move such suspensions at nine o'clock, straight after prayers, for example, is that it is before the business of the day has begun. That is the reason why members of the opposition have done that. As a Manager of Opposition Business in the House myself in the past and as a member of the opposition, it was always my understanding that if there was to be a suspension of standing orders moved it needed to be between two items of government business, and nine o'clock was the usual time. The fact is that it was not done when a speaker sat down and before the next speaker got up in the middle of an item of business. I am sure the opposition want to fulminate about this matter. My suggestion is that they do so at the appropriate time, and that is when there is a change-over of items of business. I think you have made the right call, Mr Second Deputy Speaker, and the government supports you in it. Mr Burke: Mr Deputy Speaker, to the point of order, if I can make a further submission in light of what the Leader of the House has just said. The Leader of the House has just referred to ordinary routine. There is nothing routine about what the House is dealing with right now. Nobody had any way of predicting that the commissioner would engage himself in Liberal Party fundraising, and the House has to have the right to be able to debate that issue. This is completely without precedent and the House must be allowed to suspend the relevant standing order to have that debate. As we are told a free and open flowing debate is what is meant to happen, it should be happening right now. This is the one way for it to occur. We moved the suspension of that very standing order and the House must be allowed to have this debate. It must not be used by the Leader of the House to cover up the head of a royal commission engaging in Liberal Party fundraising. Mr Pyne: Mr Deputy Speaker, the truth is that you have made a ruling. If the opposition want to disagree with your ruling, they need to move a motion dissenting from your ruling. I think that that would be unwise. My suggestion to them is that, if they wish to pursue this, they should do so at the next changeover of business, which I assume is two o'clock. If they wish to do it at question time, we can have the debate then, entirely as they wish to do so. Ms Plibersek interjecting— Mr PYNE: You can ask a few questions too, Deputy Leader; that is the greatness of this democracy. But we cannot go on with endless discussions about this point of order. Either they move a dissent from your ruling, or we have to move on. The DEPUTY SPEAKER ( Mr Mitchell ): In light of the debate, I will stick with my ruling. It stands that the suspension of standing and sessional orders cannot be moved at this point in time, under standing order 47(c)(i). We will return to the business before the chair.