Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:47): Again there were many falsehoods in that question. Let me quote from someone—I am not sure that he is a wise man but he has certainly said some wise things: But there's a better way of operating a health system, and the change should hardly hurt at all. … the ideal model involves a small co-payment—not enough to put a dent in your weekly budget, but enough to make you think twice before you call the doc. And the idea is 'hardly a radical idea'. It is an idea which certainly appeals to Labor's shadow Assistant Treasurer. I can understand that the shadow Assistant Treasurer could be fairly uncomfortable, but come on over! If you don't like it there, come on over! Mr Burke: Madam Speaker, I raise a point of order on standing order 104. When there is a question about immunisation rates, direct relevance does matter. The SPEAKER: I would remind the member for Watson that when the mantra is added the question is broadened enormously. The Prime Minister has the call. Mr ABBOTT: Labor's shadow Assistant Treasurer is not the only person who supports the government on this issue. Labor's former prime minister, Mr Hawke, the father of the co-payment, supports what this government is doing. Mr Bowen interjecting— The SPEAKER: The member for McMahon will desist or is warned. Mr ABBOTT: There are a whole range of ways to get immunised. Yes, a GP is one way, but there are also community health centres and other ways of being immunised. It is very important that immunisation rates stay up, and this government certainly supports that.