Mr ABBOTT (Warringah—Prime Minister) (14:50): I am looking at a document that I understand Qantas released last week, and it says: 'Since financial year '09, Qantas has faced an increasingly challenging environment. Yields are down; the fuel price is up.' And then it says: 'Domestic carbon tax unrecovered of $106 million in financial year 2012-13.' So Qantas know that one of the problems that they have got is a $106 million a year hit— The SPEAKER: The Leader of the Opposition on a point of order? Has the Prime Minister concluded? The Prime Minister has concluded his answer. Mr Shorten: I seek leave to table Qantas's statement last night where they said the current issues are not related to carbon pricing. The SPEAKER: Is leave granted? Leave is not granted. Before I call the member for Forrest, I have noticed that the Leader of the Opposition has taken a habit of rising to his feet before the minister answering has completed the question, and that quite frankly led me to give him the call on the last occasion, because he was on his feet, but it was premature. So I propose— Mr Burke: Madam Speaker, on a point of order, on the operation of the clocks: not long ago, the Deputy Leader of the Opposition, the moment her time ran out, you were very strict on making sure the microphone was turned off at that moment. It does not happen for the ministers, and it is completely reasonable for the Leader of the Opposition to stand when the time limits— The SPEAKER: There is no point of order. Mr Burke: Are you saying the time limits are not part of the standing orders, Madam Speaker? The SPEAKER: I am saying that the point of order you are making is not relevant at this stage. Mr Burke: No, Madam Speaker, you just gave a ruling about how the Leader of the Opposition should— The SPEAKER: The member will resume his seat! Now I propose to give the call to the member for Forrest, and after that I will seek a call from the government benches to even it up. I give the call to the member for Forrest.