Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:04): I'm sure those details are something you will traverse ad nauseam in estimates, but what people will know is that we have completed homes and we have more on the way. What they will know about you is that you do not believe the government has a role in increasing housing supply. Senator Cash interjecting— Senator WONG: Well, Senator—I'll take the interjection from Senator Cash. Senator Scarr: That wasn't the question, Senator Wong. Senator WONG: It is relevant. It is relevant to the credibility of the housing spokesperson if they don't actually think government should be engaged in increasing supply. That's relevant to your credibility—or lack thereof. The PRESIDENT: Senator Bragg? Senator Bragg: On relevance, the question was quite clear about how many dwellings will be built as a result of the extra borrowing. The PRESIDENT: Senator Bragg, I'm sure you're also aware that, if senators interject, it is quite proper for any minister to take those interjections, and Minister Wong was being directly relevant to the interjection. I would advise senators not to make an interjection. Senator WONG: We are unapologetic for making the changes that we believe are required to deliver the ambitious housing objectives we have. We are unapologetic for that, Senator. The reality is that we are clear that we are the only party in this place and in this country that is actually wanting to invest in and deliver more housing for Australians. The PRESIDENT: Senator Bragg, second supplementary?