Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:53): I think what most of us believe is that this attack does highlight the need to get guns off our streets, and we know that— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order across the chamber! I cannot hear the minister's response. Senator WONG: We know that Australia's gun laws were substantially reformed in the wake of the Port Arthur tragedy, and we saw bipartisan support from John Howard, Kim Beazley, Tim Fischer— A government senator: Borbidge! Senator WONG: and Mr Borbidge—thank you—for action. I think it is sad for the Australian community that we see such a politicisation. Senator McKenzie: On relevancy, my question was: would the Bondi Beach attack— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie— Senator McKenzie: have been able to occur had the— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, come to order. Senator McKenzie: unfair firearm laws been in place? The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie! Do not continue speaking when I call you to order. You have made a point of order, I have noted your question, and the minister is being directly relevant. Minister, please continue. Senator WONG: This is the advice I have: if the national reform package had already been in place, the gunman would not have been eligible to hold firearms at all. The father would have been ineligible because he was not a citizen. The firearms that they were using would not have been available to them. And the son, who did not have a firearms licence in any event, had he tried, any intelligence holdings with respect to him would have formed part of the licensing decision. Senator, this is one of the many reasons why you should be voting for it. Now, no-one is pretending that guns deal with everything, and the gun buyback legislation is only one aspect of what the government is doing and what the parliament is doing. As the Prime Minister said, and I referenced earlier, the gunmen at Bondi—the murderers at Bondi—had hate in their minds and guns in their hands and we need to deal with both. And it is a matter of great regret that you have chosen not to deal with— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, a second supplementary?