Senator McCARTHY (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Australians) (14:31): I thank the senator for her question. I certainly reject outright that we are privy to abuse. In terms of cooperation, it is essential in every circumstance, where we can obviously. I have met with the Chief Minister and expressed directly to her my concerns in regard to not only the youth who are being incarcerated but the spit guards and spit hoods there. So— Senator Thorpe: Our kids are suffering! Senator McCARTHY: Well, this is to answer your question, Senator Thorpe. The Northern Territory government is on notice in regard to that, and I'm certainly going to keep this Senate informed as to what we are doing in those circumstances.