Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:51): I might just respond a little bit more on the recognition point. I have laid out a few conditions as to recognition. A future Palestinian state must not be in a position to threaten Israel's security. We see no role for Hamas in the future governance of Gaza or in the future Palestinian state and no role for terrorists. We need a reformed Palestinian Authority— The PRESIDENT: Senator Payman, on a point of order? Senator Payman: Minister, as a member of the crossbench, I have very limited time and obviously— The PRESIDENT: Senator Payman, what is your point? Senator Payman: It's a matter of relevance to my second supplementary question, please. The PRESIDENT: I believe the minister is being relevant. She has just started to answer, but I'll listen carefully. Senator Payman interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Payman, you are not in a debate with me. I'm listening carefully, and if the minister isn't being relevant, I will draw her to the point. Senator WONG: I would have thought recognition conditions might be something you'd be interested in, Senator. Hamas must release all hostages, and issues such as Jerusalem and the final territory of a Palestinian state should be defined through negotiations. We have taken a principled position throughout this conflict. People in this chamber may not— An honourable senator interjecting— Senator WONG: Well, Senator, we have taken a principled position. People in this chamber may not agree with the position we have taken, but it is a position of principle, and it is consistent.