Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:16): What we know is they would be worse off under Mr Dutton, and there are so many ways in which we know that. We know that because, for the cost-of-living relief that has been put in place by this government, every single measure was opposed by those opposite. We also know, out of Mr Dutton's own mouth, that he wants to cut. He wants to make sure he cuts. 'There is wasteful spending of over $350 billion in the federal budget.' But do you know what he won't do? He won't tell Australians what he is going to cut. He wants to go into an election saying: 'Yes, I am going to cut at least $350 billion. Oh, by the way, I have $600 billion to pay for my nuclear fantasy as well. I am going to do that, but we are actually about you. We just won't tell you which of your Medicare services, which of your hospitals, which of your childcare services we are going to cut.' Senator Davey interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Davey! Order! Senators, if I call another senator—just because I have not called your name, it is not an open slather for you to then interject. You should also get the message that I am calling for order. Senator Ruston, second supplementary?