Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Employment and Workplace Relations) (14:42): Again, Senator Thorpe, with respect, I don't think it is accurate or fair, whether it be to the government or to the legal services concerned, to describe an extra $800 million investment by this government as 'smoke and mirrors'—quite the contrary. I actually think it's substantial extra investment that will go a long way to ensuring, firstly, that the clients of those legal services— Senator Thorpe: I raise a point of order on relevance. The PRESIDENT: The minister is being relevant, Senator Thorpe. Senator Thorpe: I asked about taking responsibility for the women who will be turned away from domestic violence services and the children who will be incarcerated and the people who will die in custody. Do you take responsibility? The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, I indicated that the minister is being relevant, and I will listen— Senator Thorpe interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, you're not in a debate with me. I will continue to listen carefully to the minister's response. Senator Thorpe: Tell that to the people out there begging for services. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, order! Minister Watt, please continue. Senator WATT: I think all of us are aware that, for some time, community legal services, including Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Legal Services, have been struggling with the level of demand for their services, particularly in the family violence space, and that's exactly one of the reasons why our government has taken the decision to provide another $800 million in funding to services like that. It's exactly about ensuring that legal services don't have to turn away anywhere near as many people as they have previously. They had to do that because of the gross underfunding that we inherited from the former government, and now we're fixing it. An extra $800 million is a significant extra investment.