Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:12): Well, of course, it is the case that Minister Ley was required to make a decision under the very same act that Minister Plibersek was required to deal with in the case of the McPhillamys mine that has been the subject of so much discussion in this chamber. There are, in fact, a very great number of similarities between the two decisions. Minister Plibersek made her decision based on the advice of the same traditional owner group as the Deputy Leader of the Opposition consulted with, the Wiradyuri Traditional Owners Central West Aboriginal Corporation. She made the same type of decision, a section 10 decision under the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Heritage Protection Act, and I would observe that that act has been in place since the 1980s and operative under a range of governments of different flavours. Minister Plibersek makes the point that she made her decision, essentially, based on the same reasons as the Deputy Leader of the Opposition when she made her decision, and at that time she spoke about—and I speak now of Ms Ley—the cultural significance for the Wiradjuri people 'in contributing to local Aboriginal narratives, songlines, ceremonies and cultural heritage'. She made the decision to protect the site— The PRESIDENT: Minister McAllister, please resume your seat. Senator Duniam? Senator Duniam: A point of order on relevance: I asked specifically how much money was spent on the go-kart track and how many jobs came from it in my question. The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, I'd also refer you to your preamble, if you have it written down. I would say that the minister is being directly relevant to the question. Minister McAllister, please continue. Senator McALLISTER: Thank you very much, President— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Order across the chamber! Senator Watt: Ask Sussan Ley. Sussan was probably too busy— The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, that includes you. Senator McKenzie: Yes! The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, it does not need a response from you. Minister McAllister, please continue. Senator McALLISTER: Of course, interestingly, Senator Duniam, the two sites are very close together—less than 50 kilometres apart from one another—and it is the case that not everyone agreed with the decision taken by Ms Ley at the time. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, a first supplementary?