Senator McALLISTER (New South Wales—Minister for Emergency Management and Minister for Cities) (14:43): I am aware that the Minister for the Environment and Water has recently provided approval for the SunCable project. This is a project that, as I understand it, seeks to establish renewable generation capability in the Northern Territory and also significant transmission capability, which will allow that generation to be used within the Australian grid but potentially also to be exported to our Singaporean neighbours. This is potentially an extremely important project. It is also one that is first of kind in the Australian context— Senator Roberts: I have a point of order, under standing order 72(3)(c): 'Answers shall be directly relevant to each question.' I asked about the total value of guarantees and the total value of subsidies. What are they? If you don't know, please just say so. The PRESIDENT: I will draw the minister to that part of your question, Senator Roberts. Senator McALLISTER: The senator asks me to comment, I think, on policies that exist in the Australian context to support the rollout of reliable renewables, and of course— The PRESIDENT: Minister McAllister, please resume your seat. Senator Roberts, on a point of order? Senator Roberts: I asked about the total value of guarantees and the total value of subsidies. That's it. The PRESIDENT: Senator Roberts, the minister barely said seven words, so let's just hear the answer. I have reminded the minister of the question, and I will continue to listen carefully. Senator McALLISTER: The Australian government takes our advice about the future of the energy system from experts, and all of the advice that has been provided to us is that the most cost-effective form of new generation to replace the older, ageing assets that are shortly to retire is reliable renewables. Senator Cash: He just wanted to know what the figure is. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cash, this is not your question. Senator McALLISTER: We take our advice from experts because we believe that Australians deserve the most cost-effective form of energy that is available to us. We can't actually go back to doing things the way that they were done under the previous government. The PRESIDENT: Minister McAllister, please resume your seat. Senator Roberts, on a point of order? Senator Roberts: I remind the minister that I asked about the total value of guarantees and the total value of subsidies. The PRESIDENT: I have reminded the minister of the question, and I will remind her again, Senator Roberts. Senator Henderson: It's okay to say you can take it on notice. The PRESIDENT: Order! Thank you, Senator Henderson. Senator McALLISTER: My advice is that this project has been— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Roberts, first supplementary?