Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:16): I just want to take up Senator Hume on her use of a new figure, I think, which is now over $300 billion. On that, Senator Hume, are you no longer going to index the age pension? Is that what you're not going to do? You're not going to index JobSeeker? You're not going to pay veterans the compensation they need—the compensation that veterans need? Is that right? Senator Hume interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Hume interjecting— Senator GALLAGHER: Well, that's the number you're using. Senator Hume interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order on my left! Senator Hume, you've asked your question. It's now— Senator Hume interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Hume, don't speak back to me. You're not in a debate with me. I am trying to establish order in the Senate and I am asking you to refrain from disorderly interjections. Minister, please continue. Senator GALLAGHER: All I can take from the question I was asked that raises the figure that Senator Hume used is that the opposition have now decided that indexing the age pension or providing support to veterans is wasteful spending. That is the argument they are putting. In addition to that, I can list a range of services that were not funded properly, underinvested in or not funded at all in an ongoing way, including palliative care services and chronic healthcare services, and we are fixing all of that up in this budget. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Hume, first supplementary?