Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:50): Well, I must say, there isn't a policy area with a fear campaign that the Liberal and National parties don't want to jump on board of and promote. Instead of working in the national interest, it's always about the scare campaign. It's always about misinformation. It's always about trying to drive fear and disunity against the need to make progress in relation to climate change. They will jump on everything they can and perpetuate these myths. For the record, we are currently consulting on a New Vehicle Efficiency Standard. Here's a quote: We've always been committed to getting fuel efficiency standards in place … Who might have said that? Oh, Josh Frydenberg, Treasurer, April 2022! Here's another one. Let's play a game. Guess who said this: So when fuel efficiency standards were introduced in the US— Senator McKenzie: A point of order on relevance. I asked not about the fuel efficiency standard itself but about the industry modelling that says the cost of new family cars will be increased by significant amounts. Is industry right or not? The PRESIDENT: I will draw the minister back to your question. Senator GALLAGHER: I'm just providing some context to that, President. I will come to the question. Guess who said this: So when fuel efficiency standards were introduced in the US, the most popular models before introduction stayed the most popular models after introduction … what we'd call utes …There wasn't a material change in price and we don't expect that there would be a material change in price here. That goes directly to your question. Who said that? The member for Bradfield! What happened to him? That's when those opposite used to believe in fuel efficiency standards. Senator McKenzie: A point of order on direct relevance, Madam President. You did rule. The minister has gone nowhere near the cost increases on new cars that industry has made clear. The PRESIDENT: The minister is being directly relevant to your question. Minister, please continue. Senator GALLAGHER: I went straight to that issue of price, Madam President. Here's another one: Well, we are adopting increasing fuel efficiency standards and that's a good thing. I don't have a problem with that. We should be doing that, and the fleet should be progressively getting cleaner and a lower intensity of emissions. Who might have said that? Was it someone on this side? It was Senator Sharma in February! Good on you, Senator Sharma, making sense and actually responding to the challenges, not just jumping on that fear campaign. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, a first supplementary?