Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:38): I absolutely reject the question and the preamble that Senator Birmingham has put in place. Those who participated in estimates last week—particularly the Home Affairs estimates, where these matters were gone into in great depth—understand exactly how much work is underway on preventive detention. I would also say that a big difference is that the High Court actually came down with a ruling that said indefinite detention is no— Senator Ruston interjecting— Senator Cash interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Ruston and Senator Cash: I have called order and you've continued to interject. Listen in silence. Minister, please continue. Senator GALLAGHER: The preventive detention model that the government put in place—through laws that passed this place—is based on the former Liberal government's high-risk terror-offenders scheme. As others on that side know, including the shadow minister for home affairs, there is a very high legal threshold to be met for a court to agree to ongoing detention. We're all aware that there's a high threshold, and we knew that when we put the legislation through. As those opposite know, there is significant work underway preparing applications. We want those applications to be successful. People are working day and night on those applications, and you know that. You pretend otherwise, but you know it. The moment those laws passed this place, that work began— Senator Birmingham: It should have started before that. Senator GALLAGHER: I was going to say: in fact, there was work underway before that but, once the law was settled, those applications have been worked on. You know that, and you know that the difference with NZYQ is that the High Court has made a ruling. The government had to abide by that ruling, as you would have had to, if you were in government. The law changed, and we have been working tirelessly since that occurred to keep the community safe and put in place a framework that works. The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, first supplementary?