Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:50): I understand some state treasurers have been keen to discuss matters around that with the federal government, and I'm sure those discussions will continue. But we are pursuing net zero, and we're pursuing net zero not only for the improvements that it will bring for future generations but also to seize the economic opportunities that come with that transformation that's happening around the world. As much as many people in this chamber would like to put their head in the sand over it, it's happening. It's happening in global markets, it's happening in the money markets—it's happening across the board. We think Australia should be a part of that. We should be ready to seize the economic opportunities that come with that transformation, whether it be in jobs, exports or, certainly for future generations, the improvement in energy and reliability. Senator Rennick interjecting— Senator McKenzie interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Rennick, I have called you about four times, and Senator McKenzie equally.