Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:13): I thank Senator Paterson for his first supplementary question. I can only repeat what I said in answer to the earlier question. It has long been the practice—of your government, when it was handling these issues, and of this government—that we don't— The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please resume your seat. Senator Paterson Senator Paterson: On direct relevance—Border Force officials do routinely confirm the number of attempted arrivals at Senate estimates. Why can't you? The PRESIDENT: Senator Paterson, that's not a point of order. Minister Farrell, please continue. Senator FARRELL: I can only say the same thing I said in the first answer, Senator Paterson: we don't comment on these operational matters. Where we do differ from what the previous government did is that we don't seek to politicise national security issues. We are the adults in the room. The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, resume your seat. Senator Paterson, a second supplementary?