Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:59): I think I said in my previous answer, Senator Hume, that I didn't have the figure on that. Senator Hume: It's in the newspapers today. Senator FARRELL: Well then, why are you asking me the question if you already know the answer? Why are you wasting our time? I can go to the figure for a $360,000 loan— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please resume your seat. Order! Minister, please continue. Senator FARRELL: I can go to the figure of a $360,000 loan. That would increase the figure to $2,506— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Minister Farrell, please resume your seat. I will come to you, Senator Birmingham, but I am going to ask for order. Senator Hughes, I just called the Senate to order, and the minute, almost, that the minister got back on his feet you were interjecting very loudly. That is very disrespectful. Senator Birmingham. Senator Birmingham: President, a point of order: the minister was asked very clearly about the increase Australians are facing throughout the life of the Albanese Labor government. It defies belief that he doesn't have something in his briefing that indicates how much more people are paying under the Albanese Labor government. Isn't it $24,000 a year? The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, please resume your seat. That is not a point of order; it's a debating point. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Thank you. Order! I invite all of those senators who wish to debate this to make themselves available at the many opportunities during the rest of the week, not during question time. Minister, please continue. Senator FARRELL: Can I say to Senator Birmingham that it's not helping those people who've got this extra cost to— Senator Cash: You don't know what the cost is! You don't know what it is! The PRESIDENT: Senator Cash! Senator Birmingham: It's your job to help them, Don! You're the government; it's your job to help them! The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, order! Senator FARRELL: I've reported the figures that I have available. It's very clear that the 0.25 per cent has gone up, and those figures can easily be calculated. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, order! Senator McGrath, order! Senator Hume, second supplementary?