Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:50): I would again remind people that the parliament will have a say in the shape of the Voice through the debate. We will have the Constitution referendum question put. The request at that historic gathering at Uluru was for voice and treaty and truth. We are committed to implementing the Uluru Statement from the Heart in full. We see it as a gracious offering to unite the country to walk together, to recognise Australia's First People— The PRESIDENT: Minister Gallagher, please resume your seat. Senator Thorpe, on a point of order? Senator Thorpe: President, again on relevance. This was about how self-determination is determined in what you're talking about here—self-determination. I don't know what your explanation for self-determination is, but it certainly ain't ours. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Thorpe. The minister has gone back to the Uluru Statement from the Heart in answering your question, and I believe that she is being relevant. Minister, please continue. Senator Thorpe: It wasn't decided there. That's not right. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, it is not a debating point. Do you wish to raise a second point of order? Senator Thorpe: Yes. The PRESIDENT: Then please go ahead. Senator Thorpe: This is on relevance, and it's around self-determination. I don't believe that the minister is addressing the issue of self-determination, and the Uluru Statement from the Heart is not a definition of self-determination. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, that becomes a debating point. You have asked me if the minister is being relevant to your question. I believe that she is, and I will continue to listen carefully to the remainder of her answer. Minister Gallagher. Senator GALLAGHER: Thank you, and I think the principles that underpin the Voice that have been consulted on and released provide some of the information that Senator Thorpe is seeking.