Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:37): I thank Senator Ruston for the question, and it is an important one—the changes that we are introducing around 60-day dispensing—because it will make medicine cheaper for more than six million Australians. I note that the Pharmacy Guild has commissioned a report as part of their opposition to this change. I haven't had time to go through it all, but I am advised that the government does not agree with the assumptions underpinning the report and the conclusions drawn from it. Senator Ruston and I did have quite a lengthy session on this at estimates, where we went through the impact analysis that had been done. We did discuss issues around pharmacy and pharmacy viability. I think that the work that the government has done through its impact analysis is clear. This will save— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Ruston. Senator Ruston: On relevance, President, I specifically asked the minister in relation to a commitment that no community pharmacy would be forced to close. The PRESIDENT: There were also other points in your question, and the minister is being relevant to the question. Minister. Senator GALLAGHER: The government is keen to work with the community pharmacists. We want a strong and viable community pharmacy industry right across Australia. We remain open to talking with all pharmacists about the implementation of this change, but I would say that this change has been recommended since 2017-18, I think, when there was expert advice that this change should come in—that people could save money for a select group of medicines for a select group of patients, where their doctor approves it, and that they would have to do less trips to the pharmacy— The PRESIDENT: Minister Gallagher, please resume your seat. Senator Ruston. Senator Ruston: I raise a point of order once again on relevance, President: I was not asking about the support this is giving to Australians. In fact, I made the comment that the opposition supports cheaper and easier access to medicines. I was merely asking the minister to confirm or deny whether any pharmacy will close as a result of this policy. The PRESIDENT: You made reference to that report, and the minister has also made reference to it and is being directly relevant to your question. Minister, please continue. Senator GALLAGHER: The government is investing $1.2 billion into pharmacies for ongoing programs to make sure that they can continue to do what they do and in fact grow the services they offer. We want a strong and vital community pharmacy sector. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, a first supplementary?