Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:43): Thank you, Senator Thorpe. All I can do is repeat what I've already said, which is that the expert panel on these issues has sought advice on the issue, and the advice was categorical that constitutional recognition does not interfere with or foreclose on First Nations sovereignty. I have just reminded myself of the members of that expert group— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Thorpe? Senator Thorpe: Relevance: definition. How did the referendum group come up with the definition? Is it a colonial sovereignty or is it First Peoples sovereignty? What's the definition? The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, when you raise a point of order you do not repeat the question. You've raised the point of order. I think the minister is answering the question, and I'm going to invite him to continue. Senator WATT: Senator Thorpe, as I have done before, I'm happy to get the relevant minister's office to engage with you on this particular point. But I remind all the chamber that the constitutional expert group, who has categorically said that your concern is unfounded, includes former justice of the High Court of Australia Kenneth Hayne, former— The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Thorpe. Senator Thorpe: In terms of relevance, there is no evidence to what the minister is suggesting. We want evidence about the interpretation of First Nations sovereignty. The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, the point of raising a point of relevance is for either you to ask me to agree with you that the minister is not being relevant and draw him or her to that part of the question or I can advise you that in my view the question is being answered. It's not a debating time—there's plenty of other opportunity to do that—and that's what you're starting to do. Minister Watt, please continue. Senator WATT: As I say, I know, Senator Thorpe, that you have an agenda on this point to oppose the Voice to Parliament, and whatever we say won't convince you, but a former justice of the High Court of Australia along with several leading scholars in constitutional law from a number of different universities found there was evidence to say that this won't interfere with sovereignty. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Thorpe, second supplementary?