S enator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:15): It is amusing to me that Senator Birmingham is able to ask that question with a straight face, to be honest, after the work that I have done having to clean up the mess of the previous administration, including finding $40 billion in savings in two budgets. And what happened in your last budget? Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Order! Order on my left! Senator Payne interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Payne, I just called the chamber to order. Senator GALLAGHER: Forty billion dollars in savings that we have identified in just two budgets in less than a year, when in the March budget—zero. The PRESIDENT: Minister, please resume your seat. Senator Hume? Senator Hume: A point of order—the minister is misleading the Senate. Offsets and saves are very different things. Are they saves or are they offsets? The PRESIDENT: Senator Hume, that is a debating point. Senator GALLAGHER: Forty billion dollars in savings—zero in the March budget. You poured cash in in a pre-election cash splash, and there were zero savings. Part of the spending that we are doing in this financial year is to keep the lights on at the agencies and services that you were going to flick off. That's $11½ billion that we've had to make room for, find—unexpected, didn't know it was going to happen—in order to keep services going. That's the legacy of your government. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, a second supplementary?