Senator WATT (Queensland—Minister for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry and Minister for Emergency Management) (14:58): Thank you, Senator McKenzie, for reminding us of the important institution that is Infrastructure Australia—an institution that was created by a former infrastructure minister of this country, a fellow by the name of Anthony Albanese. The reason Minister Albanese, as he then was, brought in Infrastructure Australia was to overcome the rorts of the infrastructure budget that we'd seen under the Howard government, to bring back independence when it comes to decisions about infrastructure funding. I know it's a touchy— The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie? Senator McKenzie: On relevance, again: to cuts to the budget for projects, the minister has gone nowhere near the question, either previously or now. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong? Senator Wong: On the point of order, perhaps I could make this submission. The senator herself referenced Infrastructure Australia. She can hardly complain when the minister utilises that reference in his response. He's clearly being directly relevant. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Wong. Senator Birmingham? Senator Birmingham: Further to the point of order—and this goes back to the change that was made a number of years ago to the standing orders that shifted from answers to questions having to be relevant to answers to questions having to be directly relevant—I submit that a history lesson on the establishment of Infrastructure Australia, just because Infrastructure Australia was mentioned in a question, is not directly relevant. Direct relevance actually required turning to the substance of the question asked, not picking one or two words out of it for the convenience of the minister. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Thank you, Senator Birmingham. May I suggest to leaders that they allow me to rule on the point of order. Indeed, I was going to remind Senator McKenzie that the minister did reference Infrastructure Australia and was going to draw the minister to the second part of your question. Senator WATT: I can assure Senator McKenzie and all Australian people that they can rely on the Albanese government to make targeted infrastructure investments in a fashion that we haven't been used to over the last 10 years. As I was saying, it was a Labor government that invented Infrastructure Australia to overcome the rorting of infrastructure budgets we'd seen from the Howard government. We've now had to restructure Infrastructure Australia because it had been distorted by the stacking with Liberal Party and Nationals mates under the former government. There's a bit of a pattern here, isn't there? Every time there's a Liberal-National government, it's stacking with mates, it's rorts; every time Labor comes in, we have to clean up the mess, and we're doing it all over again. The PRESIDENT: Senator McKenzie, second supplementary?