Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:15): I was fortunate enough to be in the chamber last evening for this debate. We abolished the cashless debit card program, which was a key election commitment of this government. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator GAL LAGHER: Yes, we did. What I remember from the debate is that you guys fought to the last breath to keep it in place, despite what communities have been asking for. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Sullivan, I am well aware that you are seeking to move a point of order. When the chamber is quiet I will come to you. Senator Ruston interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, you've got one of your own senators on his feet. Senator O'Sul livan: On relevance: my question asked for a financial institution perspective. The minister is going to the broader issue of the cashless debit card. The PRESIDENT: The minister has 31 seconds remaining— Senator GALLAGHER: With the implementation of the abolition of the cashless debit card, and support for those people who would be on it and moving to other arrangements, we are looking for the smoothest opportunity for them to ensure that the transition is appropriate and that they are supported through it. We have delivered on our commitment to abolish the cashless debit card, and last night I watched division after division with you lot trying to keep it in place. That's what happened last night, and that's what history will show. We will work with communities to make sure they are supported and treated with respect. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator O'Sullivan, second supplementary?