Senator GALLAGHER (Australian Capital Territory—Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Finance, Minister for Women, Manager of Government Business in the Senate and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:18): I think what the shadow minister is arguing is that we don't provide additional incentives for more doctors to go to more places. We are not trying to remove—The policy is about getting more doctors and incentivising— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston? Senator Ruston: In the interests of assisting the minister, that was not what I was saying— The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, are you raising a point of order? Senator Ruston: I would ask you to ask the minister not to verbal me. Senator GALLAGHER: I think the shadow minister is criticising us for extending an incentives program to attract doctors to areas where there are workforce shortages. There are workforce shortages in suburbs. There are workforce shortages in Canberra. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator GALLAGHE R: I was health minister here for eight years. We had a massive GP shortage. There are shortages in towns. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Hughes, Senator Watt and Senator Ruston, I want the minister to finish her answer. Honourable senators interjecting— Senator GALLAGHER: I have. We obviously have a different opinion about it but we have deliberately not changed the regional incentive payments that doctors receive for working in remote Australia so that we don't detract from there, but we do acknowledge there are shortages elsewhere. (Time expired)