Senator WONG (South Australia—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:55): Thank you to the senator for the question. I would say to him that it is not a highly contested position by most who look at the energy market in Australia that the cheapest new form of generation is clean energy. In fact, there is a live market experiment for that, and that is the state of the electricity market today. We had four gigawatts exiting, one coming in, during the life of the previous government. Those are the figures that I recall. Senator McAllister will tell me if I'm wrong. They reflect the lack of certainty in the market, as a consequence of the failure of those opposite to deal with their internal divisions, as is the case today. Senator Canavan: Madam President, a point of order on relevance: this is becoming a pattern from Senator Wong— The PRESIDENT: Senator Canavan, I don't need the statement. What is your point? Senator Canavan: My point of order on relevance is that the question was clearly about whether a country in the world has experienced lower prices. Yet Minister Wong, as I said—it is a pattern—is going back to talk about the previous government's record, nothing to do with the question. The PRESIDENT: I do believe that the minister is being relevant. It is a broad topic and she is within the realm of the question. Senator WONG: Senator Babet, I'm happy to ask the minister I'm representing whether there are examples around the world of what we also see in Australia, which is that renewable energy is the cheapest form of new generation capacity. That is an unremarkable proposition—a proposition that is shared by those who manage our electricity system as well as the business community. I respect that Senator Canavan is very clear in his interjections about his views on this issue. They're not shared, as I understand it, by the remainder of the coalition. But we see, as do business, benefit to Australian consumers from certainty that enables the investment in renewable energy in order to ensure that we have a system that has greater supply and relatively lower prices. The PRESIDENT: Senator Babet, a first supplementary question?