Senator FARRELL (South Australia—Minister for Trade and Tourism, Special Minister of State and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:50): I thank the senator for her question. There obviously are serious issues in a range of communities in this country, but what we know from the evidence of the 17,000 or so people who were on the cashless debit card is that it wasn't solving the problems that it was alleged would be fixed by this cashless debit card. Labor could not have been clearer. The Labor Party could not have been clearer about what its policy was in the lead-up to the last election. We made— Senator Birmingham: President, a point of order on direct relevance: the question wasn't asking what the government's policy was prior to the election. The question was specifically about the consequences of the legislation the government has introduced to abolish the cashless debit card and specifically asking the minister whether or not the government can give a guarantee that the rates of crime, domestic violence, child neglect et cetera will not increase. The PRESIDENT: Senator Birmingham, as you are aware, I can't direct a minister to answer a question. Certainly, Minister Farrell did talk about the evidence and proof and so on, so he was, in my view, being relevant to the question. I ask Minister Farrell to continue. Senator FARRELL: The reality is that there was no evidence whatsoever that the cashless debit card was— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Nampijinpa Price, a second supplementary question?