Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Foreign Affairs and Minister for Women) (14:56): I think we've been quite clear about the 800,000 airfares. These are 800,000 airfares that will enable Australians to do that travelling that we've been talking about. It is about motivating—incentivising, if you like—Australians to travel around their own country— The PRESIDENT: I have Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: The point of order is direct relevance. The question was very precise, and it's the same question that the DPM could not answer: is this program capped, or demand driven? I ask the minister to return to the question. The PRESIDENT: I'll let you restate the question, Senator Wong. I was listening very carefully and, unless I misheard, I thought I heard a number referred to. I can't instruct the minister how to answer a question. So I'll call Senator Payne to continue. Senator PAYNE: I've mentioned the 800,000 figure. That is 800,000 half-price tickets to travel around Australia—an opportunity that has, for example, seen flight searches on Virgin Australia increase by almost 80 per cent following the announcement of the support— The PRESIDENT: I have Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: On direct relevance: the question didn't ask about a booking system or travel agents. We asked a budget question, Mr President, and I would ask you to remind the minister of the question. The PRESIDENT: I'm listening very carefully. I take the point that it was a question about a program and I heard earlier the minister refer to a number, but I can't instruct the minister on the terms in which to answer a question. I've allowed you to reinforce the question. But it is up to the minister to determine the terms in which she answers it. I'm listening very carefully, and at this point I believe the minister is being directly relevant. Senator PAYNE: Thank you for that ruling, Mr President. I was indicating the impact of the announcement of 800,000 half-price airfares and the associated— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order. Senator Wong: Mr President, I'm going to ask you to go away and reconsider that ruling after question time, looking at the Hansard. I again raise a point of order on direct relevance. The question relates directly to whether this program has been funded as a capped program or a demand driven program. The PRESIDENT: I will always accept the request of a senator to review the Hansard. My initial reaction is that, when the minister is talking about a specific number, to ask me to go further and ask the minister— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: I'll take the interjection. That goes, in my view, to trying to instruct the minister on the terms of how to answer a question. There is an opportunity to debate it. I will reflect on this and come back to the chamber. Senator PAYNE: As I was saying, what we have seen in response to this measure is bookings increasing almost 40 per cent, flight searches almost 40 per cent— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Farrell has the call for his final supplementary question.