Senator COLBECK (Tasmania—Minister for Aged Care and Senior Australians and Minister for Youth and Sport) (14:32): I don't believe that making provision for something that we think might happen during a pandemic is a failure. In fact, I think the fact that not so many people required that service is a good thing. The fact that the estimate that we made of what the demand might be hasn't been met is a clear demonstration that the number of other services that we put in place to support senior Australians— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Brown, on a point of order? Senator Carol Brown: On relevance. I've asked a number of questions, and I would ask the minister to respond to the questions that have been asked. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cormann, on the point of order? Senator Cormann: The minister was being directly relevant. Some of the interjections were not being directly relevant. The minister made it very clear that people had the opportunity to apply for what is a demand-driven program. The PRESIDENT: I'm going to rule on the point of order. The minister is being directly relevant if he's talking about the program about which he was specifically asked. It is not appropriate for a point of order to simply ask me to instruct the minister to answer part of a question or instruct him how to answer a question. Senator COLBECK: I think it's a good thing that not that many people have required this form of assistance, but it is also a demonstration that the many other forms of assistance that we've provided to senior Australians have clearly been a success. As I said, in some places there has been up to a 50 per cent increase in the number of meals that have been provided through the Meals on Wheels service, and an extra $50 million was provided— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Brown.