Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:48): Thank you, Mr President, and I thank Senator Siewert for her question. Unquestionably, as a government we have made it very, very clear that we want to work with the states and territories, who have responsibility for the justice system, to make sure that we deliver better outcomes for Indigenous Australians, and, particularly, to deal with the issue of incarceration and improved justice and community safety outcomes. We also want to make sure that we work with Indigenous Australians, the peaks and Indigenous people to make sure that we are delivering the outcomes that they so desperately want. There is no question that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples are overrepresented in our adult and youth justice systems, both as offenders and as victims. This is seen upstream, particularly in the child protection system. But we also need to remember that Indigenous Australians are less likely to die in custody than non-Indigenous Australians. As the Royal Commission into Aboriginal Deaths in Custody found, the fundamental issue is that there are too many Indigenous Australians in custody, too often. So it must go without saying that the most important thing— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Siewert on a point of order. Senator Siewert: I asked: is the government ashamed of that number of First Nations peoples who have died in custody? I asked the minister to address that particular issue. The PRESIDENT: I remind senators that when questions contain lengthy preambles, assertions and, particularly, language that can be challenged, the minister is entirely in order and has more discretion in being directly relevant in answering the question. Senator Siewert, that was part of your question following a preamble. Senator Ruston is in order. Senator RUSTON: Thank you very much, Mr President. Senator Siewert, as I think Senator Cormann mentioned in response to the question that he was asked earlier in question time by Senator Wong, the Western Australian Treasurer, Ben Wyatt, acknowledged that, if there were an easy solution, the solution would already have been implemented. This is a very complex problem, and it is going to require all Australians to support the decisions of governments and of communities to make sure that this presentation all too often of Indigenous Australians in the justice system is reduced, because, as I said, reducing the number of Indigenous Australians in contact with the justice system by addressing the underlying— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Siewert, a supplementary question?