Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:41): Can Senator McAllister guarantee that nobody in Australia will speed because our speed limits are— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: Point of order, direct relevance. He might think it's funny to dismiss this but they are the government, and the question is about the government's program and the probity of the government's program. Could the minister please be directly relevant to the question? The PRESIDENT: With respect, on the point of order, the minister had been speaking for seven seconds. I didn't have him at a full stop at that point. I don't believe, if he was prefacing his answer with such a statement, that I would be in a position to rule it as not being directly relevant seven seconds into the answer. I've allowed you to challenge the minister's answer. There's a time for debating it after question time. Senator CORMANN: It may be very hard for Labor senators to understand, but for Australian families facing hardship during this period this is an important option, for them to be able to release some of their own money, in order to deal with their cost-of-living pressures through this period. Appropriate checks and balances are in place and, of course, we'll continue to take action as appropriate. The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: Direct relevance. The minister was asked a specific question about guaranteeing that no further Australians would be defrauded under your scheme. I can answer, Mr President. The PRESIDENT: With respect, Senator Wong— Senator Wong interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Can I conclude my—I'll take a further point of order after I rule. Your point of order, there, moves into asking me to instruct a minister how to answer a question, which I don't believe is within my power. He was talking about the risk of fraud or otherwise, as I was listening to, in the program. I believe that is being directly relevant and there's an opportunity to debate it afterwards. I can't instruct him to answer a question or use a particular term. Senator Cormann. Senator CORMANN: We will continue to manage this program appropriately, which is very popular, and we will ensure that no all Australians' interests are appropriately looked after.