Ms GILLARD (Lalor—Prime Minister) (15:04): First, the member should acknowledge that over 130,000 jobs have been added to the economy since the introduction of the carbon price, in complete contrast to the negative, false fear campaign run by those opposite, who tried to scare Australian workers and pretend that, as a result of carbon pricing, hundreds of thousands of jobs would be lost—every claim shown to be incorrect. And yet, despite every claim shown to be incorrect—their claims about jobs, their claims about the mining industry, their claims about cost of living, their claims about Whyalla being wiped off the map—they continue the fear campaign, rub their hands whenever there is any bad news about any worker losing his or her job and desperately try to do anything they can to blame it on carbon pricing, irrespective of the facts. What the member should well acknowledge is— Mrs Bronwyn Bishop: Speaker, I rise on a point of order: 'directly relevant' means it must have a relationship to the substance of the question, which was the loss of jobs in the Prime Minister's own seat. Is she saying she does not care about those people in her own seat who have lost their jobs? The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Mackellar will resume her seat. The Prime Minister has the call. Ms GILLARD: Thank you very much. After that offensive interjection, let me assure the parliament that I care about it very deeply, and I respect these workers enough to believe that they should be told the truth and not used as pawns in the opposition's ugly political game, the way they have used workers as pawns against carbon pricing. We have had the Leader of the Opposition go to workplaces and raise fear amongst working people that they were going to lose their jobs, only to see some of those businesses grow, thrive, prosper and expand since the Leader of the Opposition has been there. That is treating people with contempt. That is treating people with disrespect. That is the conduct of the opposition. The SPEAKER: Order! As the member for Mackellar has raised a question on a point of relevance, does the member for Mackellar have another point of order? Mrs Bronwyn Bishop: Yes, indeed, Speaker. It is this: the standing orders and indeed the Practice are quite clear that when a minister cannot answer a question they should be asked to sit down and take it on notice. As you cannot answer the question— The SPEAKER: The member will resume her seat— Mrs Bronwyn Bishop interjecting— The SPEAKER: Order! The member for Mackellar will leave the chamber under standing order 94(a). The member for Mackellar then left the chamber. The SPEAKER: The Prime Minister has the call and will refer to the question before the chair. Ms GILLARD: After that display of contempt for working people, in answer to the member's question he well knows that the businesses he refers to have on their shoulders the pressure of the high Australian dollar and some of the economic circumstances that have flowed since the global financial crisis. Our attitude is to work with manufacturing and to work with businesses to help them and to help employment. The attitude of the opposition is to cut that assistance and to end those jobs—hundreds and hundreds of thousands of them around the country. That is what the member stands for. On this side of the House we stand for jobs and jobs have been created—130,000 of them—since a price was put on carbon.