Senator RUSTON (South Australia—Minister for Families and Social Services and Manager of Government Business in the Senate) (14:04): Thank you for your follow-up question, Senator. The best way that the Australian government can get people out of poverty is by getting them a job, and we are absolutely focused on creating jobs and creating pathways so that people who want a job can get a job. One thing that I'd say is the ABS data shows that, in real terms, wages are growing. In fact, the sector wages are growing by 2.4 per cent—the highest since December 2014. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Watt on a point of order. Senator Watt: So we're now getting an answer about wages. This question is actually about poverty. Could the minister just try once this week to answer the question? The PRESIDENT: Senator Ruston, this question did specifically mention poverty. I've said before that the introduction of the term 'direct' into the direct relevance test narrowed the previous test, so I ask you to turn to the question. Senator Ruston. Senator RUSTON: Thank you very much, Mr President. As I actually answered in the first part of my answer, in responding to the question: the fact is that on this side of the chamber we understand that the best way to get people out of poverty is to actually get them a job. But not only that. The best way to make sure that we have a country that's strong and that can afford all of the social services that so many Australians depend on is to make sure our economy is strong. And I can assure you that the best way of making the economy strong is not taxing it by $387 billion. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Walsh, a final supplementary question.