Senator REYNOLDS (Western Australia—Minister for Defence) (15:01): I'm somewhat bemused that Senator Keneally would ask a question that she clearly thought she already knew the answer to. Let me provide you with facts about air arrivals. If the information I provided you wasn't enough, let me provide some more facts. Between 1 January and 31 May this year, there was a 32 per cent decrease in protection visa applications lodged by Malaysians compared to the same period in 2018. Between 1 January and 31 May 2019, there was a 20 per cent decrease in the number of protection visa applications lodged across all nationalities. These declining figures are noteworthy— The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: The point of order is direct relevance. The minister is talking about protection visas. The question is about Mr Wood's comment—that organised crime and illegitimate labour hire companies are using the loophole. We would ask you to remind her of the question. The PRESIDENT: With the noise around the chamber, I appreciate being reminded of the question because I had trouble hearing it. The minister may have had trouble hearing it as well. She has 22 seconds remaining to answer. Senator Reynolds. Senator REYNOLDS: I was being directly relevant because I'm talking about the reason for the increased numbers and what we are doing to decrease the numbers of people we do not want to come into this country. The information I gave is directly relevant. You might not like the fact but it was directly relevant, and my answer stands. The PRESIDENT: Senator Keneally, a final supplementary question.