Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister for Small and Family Business, Skills and Vocational Education) (15:00): As you would know, Senator Cameron, I meet with people on a regular basis within this portfolio. I have to say that one of the things they still continue to raise with me is the disastrous VET FEE-HELP system that Labor put in place. And, Senator Cameron, they are thankful that we have actually taken steps to address that disastrous situation and put integrity back into the vocational educational and training sector. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, on a point of order? Senator Cameron: Yes, a point of order on relevance. This is a serious issue. I've simply asked if the minister has met with these volunteer organisations to address their concerns, and, if she has, what she has done. The PRESIDENT: You've reminded the minister of the question. The minister has a minute 30 remaining to answer. Senator CASH: As I said, I meet on a regular basis with stakeholders and I take into account their feedback. The majority of feedback, though, happens to be in relation to Labor's disastrous VET FEE-HELP. The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, a supplementary question.