Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance and the Public Service, Vice-President of the Executive Council and Leader of the Government in the Senate) (15:00): Here is a question asked by the exemplar of good government in New South Wales—the absolute exemplar of good government in New South Wales. Let me— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order. Order, on my right. Senator Ian Macdonald interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Macdonald. Senator Wong, on a point of order? Senator Wong: She's better than you, mate. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order. Senator Wong: Point of order—relevance. Senator Cormann used to care about what Malcolm Turnbull said. We've asked about what Mr Turnbull said. The PRESIDENT: The minister has been speaking for 11 seconds. You've reminded him of part of the question. I invite the minister to continue his answer. Senator CORMANN: Thank you very much, Mr President. Not only was Senator Keneally not a very good Premier of New South Wales; she's also not very good at adjusting her questions, because if she had listened to the answers to the first two questions— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order, Senator Cormann. Order. Senator Collins, on a point of order. Senator Jacinta Collins: Thank you, Mr President. Yes, the question was asked by Senator Keneally, but the question is not about Senator Keneally; it's about the former Prime Minister. The PRESIDENT: The minister spoke for 10 seconds and I could barely hear a word he said due to the interjections. You've reminded the minister of part of the question and its nature. I invite the minister to continue. Senator CORMANN: Thank you very much, Mr President. Well, the second supplementary, asked by Senator Keneally, repeated for the third time an assertion that is wrong and that I dismissed in my response to the primary question. So the point I'm making is that there was no such threat by Mr Kelly; hence, all of the consequent suggestions are wrong.