Senator SCULLION (Northern Territory—Minister for Indigenous Affairs and Leader of The Nationals in the Senate) (15:01): As I've indicated, there is an increase. The number of people in care has actually increased by 24.4 per cent over a year. That has gone from 70,579 people receiving care in 2017 to— The PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, on a point of order. Senator Polley: I ask you to ask the minister to be relevant. The question was: whose idea was it to spend the $8.2 million on advertising instead of providing care to older Australians? He hasn't come anywhere near that. The PRESIDENT: There were other terms in your question. You did use the term 'blowout' and the minister is entitled to challenge that term in his answer and be directly relevant to the question. Senator SCULLION: If she's concerned about that particular element of her question, the minister responsible is the person who came up with that good idea to ensure elderly people have the information they need. As I've indicated, we're talking about an investment of $1.6 billion, but I don't want to put the $1.6 billion out there and not tell anyone it exists. That might be a trap for those opposite. We want to inform people on how to get access. It's so important for older Australians to understand the nature of those processes. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Polley, a final supplementary question.