Senator BIRMINGHAM (South Australia—Minister for Trade, Tourism and Investment and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:22): As I said, the TPP is a good deal. Whatever promises Mr Shorten makes to his caucus are between him and his caucus. I do know when it comes to the promises that Mr Shorten makes to the Australian people that many of them are very hollow indeed, when you think about the fact that Mr Shorten wants to dig deep into the pockets of the Australian people and tax them more when it comes to their income tax and take the savings of Australian retirees. The PRESIDENT: Senator Hanson-Young on a point of order. Senator Hanson-Young: . I draw the minister's attention to the question: is Bill Shorten's promise to fix the TPP hollow? The PRESIDENT: Senator Hanson-Young, you're asking the minister for an opinion on a matter of someone else in another place. If you ask a wide question, you get a wide answer. You have reminded the minister of the question. I note he has 30 seconds remaining. Do you wish to add something, Senator Whish-Wilson? Senator Whish-Wilson: I rise on a point of order of relevance. The question—including the first question—was: is it possible to do this? The minister did not go anywhere near answering it. It would assist us if he would actually answer the question that has been asked. The PRESIDENT: I will give the Leader of the Government in the Senate, Senator Cormann, an opportunity. Senator Cormann: The minister was being directly relevant on the basis that the question asked was about promises made by the Leader of the Opposition in the other place. Clearly the minister was talking about promises—I thought it was an elegant pivot—that the Leader of the Opposition had made in relation to other areas. Senator Bernardi: May I put forward, Mr President, that you effectively ruled that Senator Hanson-Young made no point of order at all. Then, it is really inappropriate to have another point of order by another Green on a spurious point when the minister hasn't even been able to continue his answer. The PRESIDENT: I was coming to that. I do grant senators a courtesy, as I did to the Leader of the Government in the Senate. Senator Whish-Wilson, in addressing your point of order, it is not an opportunity to simply restate a primary question or a secondary question. The minister was being directly relevant to the third question asked. Senator Williams: Mr President, I noticed during that question from Senator Hanson-Young that the Leader of the Opposition was referred to as Bill Shorten. What do we have to do to get the Greens to refer to people by their proper title in this place and the other place? The PRESIDENT: You are quite right. That did slip past me. The nature of questions will be addressed in the break, and I will be enforcing the standing orders rather more strictly upon my return, because there has been some slippage about the nature of questions asked. I ask you, Senator Hanson-Young, in the future to use people's appropriate titles. Senator BIRMINGHAM: Thanks, Mr President. We were talking about the hollow promises of Mr Shorten, the hollow promises that come from the hollow man who is Mr Shorten. When it comes to Mr Shorten, my firm advice to the Australian people is not to believe a word he says and certainly not to trust him when he says that he can look after the economy or their money. We know that, when it comes to their money, they will end up paying more for taxes on their income and wages, on their housing, on their savings and on their retirement. Ultimately Australians will be worse off under a Shorten government. (Time expired)