Senator CANAVAN (Queensland—Minister for Resources and Northern Australia) (14:12): I have tried to persuade all I've spoken to about the common sense of adopting the National Energy Guarantee. It is the right approach to help bring down power bills for the Australian people. If you'd like to have a briefing on why the National Energy Guarantee is the right approach, Senator Marshall, I'd love to have that discussion with you. We still to this day don't know what the Labor Party's position is on the National Energy Guarantee. When I hear Mr Butler, the energy spokesperson for the Labor Party, get up and speak, all I hear him talk about is emissions reductions. That's all he talks about. He doesn't talk about lowering power bills for the Australian people. The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cameron, on a point of order. Senator Cameron: This is on relevance. This was a very specific question: has the minister attempted to persuade Assistant Minister Pitt to support the government's position? The minister's attention should be drawn to the specific question. The PRESIDENT: You've very kindly done so, Senator Cameron. I note the minister has 14 seconds remaining to answer. Senator CANAVAN: As I said, I try to convince everybody of common sense and good policy in this nation, and this policy is common sense. It does provide the potential to lower power bills, and that's what this government is focused on. The PRESIDENT: Senator Marshall, a final supplementary question.