Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance, Special Minister of State and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:02): I stand by my answer to my first question. We continue to talk about which policies can best deliver lower electricity prices for households, for families and for pensioners and which policies can best deliver lower electricity prices so that our businesses can continue to be internationally competitive, create more jobs and create better opportunities for families to get ahead. Senator Kim Carr: You can't rule it out. Senator CORMANN: Here we go—they want me to play the rule in, rule out game. Senator Wong: Yes, we do. Senator CORMANN: I'm not going to play the rule in, rule out game. What I am going to do, together with all of my colleagues, is continue to assess all of the issues and continue to work on the best way forward in our national interest. Senator Kim Carr: You've got to get behind someone before you can stab them in the back. Senator CORMANN: Is that how you do it? The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cormann and Senator Carr. Senator Kim Carr interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr, we will try to keep peace during questions.