Senator McKENZIE (Victoria—Minister for Rural Health, Minister for Sport, Minister for Regional Communications and Deputy Leader of The Nationals) (14:44): I think the announcement last night around ageing in the budget was an incredibly positive one. It draws on the needs of Australians in this country, who, as they age, want greater choices. We are living longer, as we heard. We want to support Australians, as they live longer, to live fuller, more independent lives. What the findings and the research suggest, when I head out to the regions, is that Australians want to stay in their homes longer. So we need to ensure we have the relevant support packages ready and able to be used for them. We have record aged-care funding in the budget—an additional $5 billion over the next four years. That's the reality. So I know the opposition likes to make some rhetorical arguments around our lack of support here, but the facts speak for themselves. There is record funding into aged care— Senator Jacinta Collins: On a point of order, we have asked the minister a very simple question, which is: how many Commonwealth supported residential aged-care places did the Turnbull government cut in last night's budget? She's not addressing that question. She's talking about her own experience in regional Australia with aged care. It's a simple question. The minister should answer it. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Collins. The minister has been speaking for a minute of her two-minute answer. I note she was turning to the issue of funding. I remind her of the question, as Senator Collins has. Senator McKENZIE: Thank you very much, Mr President. Again, I go back to choice. So when you ask those who are ageing in the Australian population whether they— Senator Wong: The point of order is direct relevance. It was a very simple question. I refer to Budget Paper No. 2 at page 117, which sets out the budget measure. We are asking how many Commonwealth funded residential places are reduced as a result of that budget measure? The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Wong. There were only a handful of seconds between me reminding Senator McKenzie of the terms of the question. I don't think Senator McKenzie got to complete the sentence. I reminded her of the question and ask her to continue it. Senator Jacinta Collins interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! I've ruled. I did remind the minister of the terms of the question after I let you do so, Senator Collins. Five seconds is not quite enough for me to make a different ruling. Senator McKENZIE: Thank you very much, Mr President. I was going to answer the question after I'd actually outlined the measures within the package around choices. But given the need of the opposition to know the specifics, I am advised that greatly improved access to residential aged care with a growth 13,500 new aged-care places and 775 short-term restorative places as well as a $60 million capital investment are the specifics around the aged-care packages, bearing in mind that Australians are wanting to stay in their homes longer and we want to give them the support they need as they age. The PRESIDENT: Senator Watt, a supplementary question?