Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Leader of the Government in the Senate, Minister for Finance, Special Minister of State and Vice-President of the Executive Council) (14:08): Unlike the Labor Party, we don't have a policy to increase taxes on business. We don't have a policy to increase taxes on jobs. So we let the Labor Party do their own costings. What we do know is that, so far, the Labor Party want to increase the tax burden on the Australian— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cormann, please resume your seat. Senator Wong on a point of order. Senator Wong: The point of order is direct relevance. The finance minister didn't even try to go to the question at all, which was: 'Is it more or less than $100 billion?' He immediately went to the Labor Party. I know he might be obsessed with us. We are interested, as the parliament is, in the cost of the tax cuts. That was the question. Are they more or less than $100 billion? The PRESIDENT: The minister has been speaking for 16 seconds. I note the minister has 44 seconds to continue to answer. Senator CORMANN: As I indicated to the chamber yesterday, the cost of the remaining unlegislated business tax cuts is $35.6 billion in the period to 2027-28. What we do know is that Labor's tax hikes on small and family businesses, on investment, on electricity, on families and on retirees are, so far, more than $220 billion. What we do know is that Labor's tax hikes would hurt the economy, would hurt families and would cost jobs. That's what we know. Has Labor updated its costings in relation to its $220 billion in tax hikes? Is it now $300 billion? Is it $350 billion? How much money are you prepared to take out of the economy to hurt the economy, hurt families and put jobs at risk? (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Wong, a final supplementary question.