Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Employment and Minister for Women) (14:42): Thank you for the question, Senator Duniam. Under this government, we control our borders. We will never ever abrogate control of our borders to the people smugglers. We also don't want to see, as a government— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Reynolds, on a point of order. Senator Reynolds: You have made several rulings now in relation to this matter of disrespect that those opposite are showing both to the chair and to the minister. I'm one row behind the minister, and I cannot see. There are many other opportunities for these debating points for the minister. I would ask that the minister be heard in silence. Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron on the point of order. Senator Cameron: There might be some little piece of credibility if it wasn't relating to this minister, who should know— Opposition senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Cameron, resume your seat. That was not speaking to the point of order. Senator Reynolds raises a point. Again, please have some courtesy to our colleagues who may wish to hear the answer. Senator CASH: As I was saying, under this government, we control our borders. We have sent a very, very clear message to the people smugglers that we will take all necessary steps to smash the people smugglers' business model. As a government, we also don't want to see people die at sea. People get on leaky boats to try and come to this country illegally and, as a result of that, lose their lives at sea. What we saw under the former Labor government, in conjunction with the Greens— Senator McKim interjecting— Senator CASH: And there is Senator McKim— Senator McKim interjecting— Senator CASH: Exactly—open borders under Senator McKim. There were 1,200 people. We have never heard about those 1,200 people. Those people, Senator McKim, were real people who lost their lives at sea. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Duniam, a final supplementary question.