Senator CASH (Western Australia—Minister Assisting the Prime Minister for the Public Service, Minister for Employment and Minister for Women) (14:32): Unfortunately, as was the case with the gift card scandal, Mr Shorten continues to say, 'I know nothing about this latest rort.' But, unfortunately, there is someone on the other side— Senator Kim Carr interjecting— Senator CASH: And, yes, colleagues, he took the bait! Come on down, Senator Carr! Senator Kim Carr interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Senator Carr! Senator CASH: You see, Senator Carr, you also used the printer involved in this latest union scandal. But guess what, colleagues? When asked by the Herald Sun this morning how many times he had used the printer, do you know what Senator Carr's response was? 'I don't know.' He couldn't actually tell them how many times the printer had been used by his office. And, Senator Carr, you know the players in this game very, very well. The PRESIDENT: To the chair, Senator Cash. Senator CASH: You are very familiar with the ALP members who have allegedly been stacked into the Labor Party as part of this scam. You too need to come forward and give a very clear account. (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Bushby, a final supplementary question.