Senator PAYNE (New South Wales—Minister for Defence) (15:02): I do not have the advantage of the Hansard for the committee hearings, so I have not actually been able to read the evidence. That is not available at this point. But let me be very clear, again. The government's decisions in relation to the Future Submarine are going to grow the submarine workforce in this country. There is no change to that view. There is no change to that direction. It is an absolute commitment: 1,100 direct jobs, 1,700 indirect jobs and more beyond that in global supply chains and Australian supply chains, right across the submarine build and right across the surface ship build. But, if I were in the position that those opposite find themselves in, I would not want to hear about this—because if you made no decisions, if you made no effort to ensure you preserved a workforce that could build ships in Australia to the degree that those opposite insist was apparently the case, if you did nothing, if your output was zero— (Time expired) Senator Brandis: Mr President, I ask that further questions be placed on the Notice Paper. Senator Wong: Mr President, if I can, by leave, simply in a rare moment of friendliness wish my colleague the Leader of the Government in the Senate a happy birthday. Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Wong. Clapping is disorderly, senators!