Senator CORMANN (Western Australia—Minister for Finance and Deputy Leader of the Government in the Senate) (14:03): The point I would make again is that there are very many serious conversations that we need to have in Australia about our future economic and fiscal challenges and opportunities. There are serious conversations to be had on how we can ensure that people across Australia and families across Australia can have the best possible opportunities to get ahead. And all we are getting from the Labor Party is juvenile student politicking. I actually answered the question. This is the game the Labor Party are playing: they are asking me a question where I know the answer, they know I know the answer, they know the answer; everybody knows— Honourable senators interjecting— The PRESIDENT: Order! Senator Cameron, on a point of order. Senator Cameron: On relevance: the question went to the issue of the shame that the Treasurer has in not being able to actually state that the projected debt is going to be $725 billion under the Turnbull government. That was the question; Senator Cormann has not gone near it. The PRESIDENT: Thank you, Senator Cameron. I will remind the minister of the question. Senator CORMANN: Thank you, Mr President. What I was about to say is that the Turnbull government is proud—proud—of the fact that we have been able to reduce expenditure to the tune of $250 billion over the current and medium term. That is $250 billion that Labor would have had to borrow that we do not have to borrow, that will ensure that debt is lower than it would have been under Labor, which will help us to pay off debt once we are back in surplus— (Time expired) The PRESIDENT: Senator Ketter, a final supplementary question.